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  A City Having Real Foundations.

  by LostintheFog1999 in

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  someone asked me recently when did i start to have doubts as an elder about what i was teaching from the platform.. i have given it a lot of thought and i can say that it was when i was delivering a public talk about the book of hebrews.

  so i paused and read it again.. i looked at the audience and said to them let's look at the cross-reference for this verse which is hebrews 12:22 and i read that verse.

  after which i remember saying "and this is how the outline puts it.... " and i read from the outline verbatim.. abraham was not looking forward to an earthly kingdom hope.

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  raymond frantz

  ExBethelitenowPIMA

  I don't believe that dear friend, please feel free to share an example
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  A City Having Real Foundations.

  by LostintheFog1999 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  someone asked me recently when did i start to have doubts as an elder about what i was teaching from the platform.. i have given it a lot of thought and i can say that it was when i was delivering a public talk about the book of hebrews.

  so i paused and read it again.. i looked at the audience and said to them let's look at the cross-reference for this verse which is hebrews 12:22 and i read that verse.

  after which i remember saying "and this is how the outline puts it.... " and i read from the outline verbatim.. abraham was not looking forward to an earthly kingdom hope.

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  raymond frantz

  Great verse, but needs to align with the rest of the Bible. Jesus was quite clear when he said that the cut off for heavenly life is John the Baptist, any believer before him is destined to earhly life, any believer after him to heavenly life.

  You are correct to surmise that the city that Abraham was looking forward to was a real city and not some vague promise for paradisaic life on earth, the city's name is New Jerusalem and will descend down here on earth after the 1000 years where Abraham will have all the time in the world to inspect its foundations
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  Further education

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just saw on a video that there has been a change about further education.

  here is a screenshot of a letter that went to all elders.

  i am an elder but i don’t remember this one, perhaps it is only for some areas?.

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  raymond frantz

  Is that the new trend now? Making false claims for clicks? This announcement uses strange jw terms.

  "following such a course is not OUTLAWED???"

  The Watchtower will never speak this way
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  John 13:35 Mistranslated?

  by KerryKing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  disclaimer!

  i am not a bible translator not do i speak ancient greek or hebrew.. john 13: 35 nwt : 'by this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves '.. (curiously, this verse is not listed in the nwt index under the word 'disciples'.).

  the biblehub interlinear reads : ' by this will know all that to me disciples you are if love you have among yourselves '.. could it actually mean, contrary to all bible translations, that it is jesus himself, and not people in general, who identifies his disciples because they show love among each other?.

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  raymond frantz

  The Watchtower capitalised on centuries of Christian charity that has been the foundational framework of our Western Civilization to preach their own version of "have love among yourselves". Threatening members with disfewllowshiping to tow the line is not a genuine expression of Christian love. In the same way that North Korean citizens showing love for their leader is not genuine love. They confuse unity (=motivated by love) with uniformity
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  John 13:35 Mistranslated?

  by KerryKing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  disclaimer!

  i am not a bible translator not do i speak ancient greek or hebrew.. john 13: 35 nwt : 'by this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves '.. (curiously, this verse is not listed in the nwt index under the word 'disciples'.).

  the biblehub interlinear reads : ' by this will know all that to me disciples you are if love you have among yourselves '.. could it actually mean, contrary to all bible translations, that it is jesus himself, and not people in general, who identifies his disciples because they show love among each other?.

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  raymond frantz

  This is the translation from the Kingdom Interlinear that the Watchtower promotes on their website

  
  

  The crucial word is "ean=if ever" I don't see why anyone will translate EAN as "if ever" , it doesn't work. The correct interpretation should be "if(=EAN) you love among yourselves."

  (=I'm Greek, with 3 years studies in Koini)

  What is the context through the lense of the first few centuries of the church? The type of love Christians portrayed was UNIQUE for the first few centuries and the reason many pagans converted to Christianity, some excerpts below

  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  raymond frantz

  I don't think he will hit 100 patreons anytime soon ,I think the rock bottom is 300-350 and it will be for some time but that's not alot of money. Will he run off to USA? Will he come back to the UK? Who knows? But one thing is certain that at this level things must be getting desperate that's why we don't see as many videos anymore he must be planning his next move away from YouTube. One thing is certain it won't involve manual labour😂🤶😂
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  raymond frantz

  His lordship was grooming a girl in Bramhall and the father who is an elder, guess what's his name is got wiff of it. That, with Djiana's revelations to the elders made them put two and two together and of course the elders in Bramhall freaked out!!!

  The Wilmslow jc was a sham, and was only convined to give him a quick pass to Croatia.Wilmslow elders are famous for their sweeping things under the carpet.

  The girl from Bramhall is happily married and moved out of the area and no one wants her to revisit her memories with the fat blob, but I know her family and a quick phonecall if the occasions arises will be enough to get the fat slob sweating.

  As I said it is only a matter of time ...and the time is on our side.

  Of course he can do the easy thing and completely dissappear and close his patreon account and get a 9-5 job but we all know he won't do any of that...and that's why we are still here
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  raymond frantz

  I know alot more, but the people involved are still deep in the cult and can't cause more commotion he should be looking over his back though because once one of these elders leaves the borg he will be on my channel with the rest of the story
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  raymond frantz

  After having been instructed from his elder dad to escape Wilmslow to avoid this kind of judicial committee in the UK by Bethelite Reps this meeting followed him in Croatia. You can say whatever you like about the JW judicial system but they are proficient at chasing you around the globe if they think that you are liability. So that judicial committee was orchestrated by the UK Bethel that contacted the Croatian Bethel and got the ball rolling. His apostasy was just a camouflage for his online audience that totally fell for it and some still to this day finance his appalling behaviour.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  raymond frantz

  1. Sexting minors
  2. Grooming minors
  3. Abusing AND gaslighting his wife for years
  4. Sleeping with prostitutes in countries where prostitution is a crime
  5. Shamelessly pretending to care for victims of sexual abuse when he himself has engaged in such for years
  6. Attacking and silencing exjw activists for years
  7. Cold calling jwfairytale's mother and blackmailing her with lawsuit
  8. Attacking Kim and Mike's daughter
  9. Threatening with lawsuit and demands of 3-5000 euros from at least 12 activists
  10. Intellectual property theft by trying to print and distribute Ray Franz's Crisis of Concience

  The list is endless.There is only ONE rotten egg in the exjw community all the rest we are friends and promote each others work.

  Don't you get it you MORON that he makes us all look bad by association and destroys our activist work???

  "The positive outweigh the negatives" is an argument the Watchtower used to destroy our lives , we are not falling for that again...